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 4/18/2007 1:28:16 PM
User is offlineJaime Schulte
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New WTF round ring, shot clock, and 4 pts

I saw this posted by Master Voorhees on OEPlayers.  Very interesting!

To see a picture of the new round ring, click here:
http://english.donga.com/srv/service...h_dir=20070413

Text of the "article":

"Taekwondo, disregarded by bored Korean fans, will get a boost. On April 12, the first nationwide federation match in World Taekwondo Headquarters showed Taekwondo’s new rules. Instead of a 10x10 meter square, a round 100 square meter area was marked on the floor, on which players attack and defend. A newly adopted 15-second rule warns a passive player to do more. A face attack is 4 points, up 1 point from before, allowing players to win a come-from-behind victory with offensive play."

Thoughts?  I'll note that the circle in the picture is clearly 10 meters in diameter, making the circle about 78.5 square meters in area.  Not a 100 square meter circle as the web article suggests.  The 21.5% reduction in the size of the competition area is significant.  Currently there are about 5 meters from the center of the ring to the coaches chair and 7 meters to a corner judge.  Now the edge of the ring is 5 meters in all directions.  That should heat things up and give the referees a better view.

I understand that Chairman Kim had the referee development camp in COS try putting the judges on the sides of the ring rather than the corners.  In general the referees felt they had a better view of the ~14 meter diagonals in the ring that go from corner to corner.  Players spend a lot of time fighting along those diagonals, making it hard for the judges to see.  Going to a circular ring should have a similar positive effect for the judges.

Crossing the boundary line may become more of an issue with a smaller Competition Area, although it should be easier for a competitor at the edge of the ring to move sideways out of the "corner".

Seems like there could be some extra expense relating to mats, since they would be less versatile if it was necessary to lay them in a specific configuration in order to display the circle.  More setup time too.

I think the 15 second "shot clock" idea is worth consideration, although it could lead to a lot of checking with a half-hearted kick to reset the clock.  How would the clock be maintained?  Computer operator? 

3 points to the head plus 1 for the 8-count would make it possible to stage a come from behind victory.  It may widen the training gap between the no head contact/junior rules and adult rules, however. 

 4/19/2007 6:52:35 AM
User is offlineJeannette
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Re: New WTF round ring, shot clock, and 4 pts
The original quote is from the WTF website.

The round ring is an interesting concept. The logistics of creating a round ring aside, it may help to prevent those so frequent situations where the fighters line up on the corners, preventing 2 judges from seeing what is going on unless they leave their seats. Putting the judges on the sides of a square is very effective in doing this, but puts the corner even further from the judges.

The shot clock strikes me as something else for untrained veiwers to complain about, and I assume would require another judge or timekeeper. Plus it is rather redundant as current referee training emphasizes that the corner should enforce the 'delay of game' kyongo after 10-15 seconds.

The 2 point head kick was supposed to increase public interest in the game. If it has not been successfull, I wonder how a 3 point kick will be different.
 5/16/2007 3:14:51 PM
User is offlineJaime Schulte
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Re: New WTF round ring, shot clock, and 4 pts

 Jeannette wrote
The round ring is an interesting concept. The logistics of creating a round ring aside, it may help to prevent those so frequent situations where the fighters line up on the corners, preventing 2 judges from seeing what is going on unless they leave their seats. Putting the judges on the sides of a square is very effective in doing this, but puts the corner even further from the judges.

Can you clarify what you ment about the corner being even further from the judges when the judges are on the sides of a square rather than the corners? 

It would seem that you'd have decent visibility into the two corners on either side of you.  The players can't really block your view without going out of bounds.  The opposite two corners are still pretty far away, but neither is as far or as hard to see as being on the opposite end of the ring's diagonal.  In the corner you are about 14 meters from the opposite corner.  From a sideline the distance would be 11 or 12 to the opposite corners and about 5 to the corners on either side.  On average it would seem like a better setup.  By that logic the coaches would probably have a less favorable view, since they would presumably need to sit on the back corners, where judges 2 and 3 are now.

 5/18/2007 8:59:17 AM
User is offlineMWickham
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Re: New WTF round ring, shot clock, and 4 pts
Regarding the round ring concept, I had read somewhere that WooSop Moore at his Show Me Cup June 2nd in St Louis is experimenting with this as well as having judges move around the ring. I think the cables connecting the scoring system are suspended above the referee's heads. It will be interested to see how that goes. I did read where the proposed rules changes are being studied via subcommittee, so not sure where the head kick change will fit in (if it changes), time will tell I guess. But yes it will be curious if it goes from 2 to 3 for head shots will that increase interest and what about a standing 8, is that now worth another point making it 4 points possible?

Mike
 5/21/2007 7:03:56 AM
User is offlineJeannette
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Re: New WTF round ring, shot clock, and 4 pts
You know, I never did the math, I just eyeballed. You are correct, the theoretical cumulative distances from the 4 judges to competitors, when the competitors are in the corner would be about a meter and a half further when the judges are in the corner than it would be when the judges are on the sides.

Jenny
 5/21/2007 1:19:36 PM
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Re: New WTF round ring, shot clock, and 4 pts
Find the round ring concept as one that may have merit. Agreed the costs would add up for those needing to replace mats for competition.Oh, I did get wind of WooSop Moore and his "Show me Cup" tournament in early June (think its the 2nd) in St Louis. I believe he is doing a round ring with referee's having the ability to also circle the ring. I guess cables are either suspended above the referee's heads or wireless set up will be made. Would love to get there to referee that tournament again, but to busy. WooSop always does unique twists on tournaments.

Mike
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