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 2/12/2008 11:51:26 AM
User is offlineRonMarlow
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Referee Development Camp Proposal
Dear TRUE Members: TRUE Secretary Jeannette Woodard posted on the TRUE website a proposal from the officers for TRUE to help USAT in holding referee development. I think referee development camps traveling around the country will be very expensive. Referees are widely dispersed and regardless of where the camp is held, most will still have to travel. The exceptions would be Southern California, New York and a few other areas where there are enough referees to fill a camp. For most referees it will mean one more airfare. Getting people to travel to a 2.5 day regional camp will be harder than getting them to travel to 1 day seminars that are attached to competitions. Most of the referees we want to attend the camps (senior experienced referees, junior referees) come to Nationals. There is always a one day seminar the day before competition. The camp can be two long days. Referees then pay only for one roundtrip. All the active senior referees will be there. Some of the senior referees could be incorporated as additional instructors and mentors. We could approach the University of Michigan (M go Blue) or Michigan State University about using their facilities before Nationals in Detroit, both have Taekwondo programs and are within an hour driving time from Detroit. Perhaps we could use the Nationals venue during set-up. The referee leadership has been threatening to make the camp part of referee promotion. If the event is held immediately before nationals maybe that threat would have more teeth and referees would come. The Referee Camp at Colorado Springs was great. The facilities are the best and travel from Las Vegas was cheap and easy. Having WTF Referee Chairman Hong Ki Kim in attendance was extremely valuable. I will go to the next one and encourage and assist my students in going because I have the necessary flexibility, but most junior referees don’t have that flexibility. The next generation of referees is busy getting families and careers going and their schedules and finances are tight. As it is now most junior referees work local events and maybe Nationals. We have a better chance of getting them to attend extended training if we hold that training at Nationals, rather than chasing around the country after them. It will be less expensive for everyone; one roundtrip ticket instead of 2; 1.5 extra days. TRUE can help by getting the camp venue organized, arranging transportation to the training venue, and hosting a social event. Most universities make dorms and gyms available in the summer at reasonable rates for band camp, basketball camp etc. Just my two cents. Ron Marlow
 2/15/2008 10:42:14 AM
User is offlineLois
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Re: Referee Development Camp Proposal
Having attended the FIRST referee development camp (aren't we proud??), I am wholeheartedly in favor of TRUE helping with the development camp in any way we can.  And while I agree that there are probably few centers of sufficient concentration of referees, I do think California and somewhere in NE would make sense because of both density and easy access. But I'd like to respectfully disagree with the notion of offering these only at nationals. It's hard enough to get away from the full time job for a full week to do Juniors and Seniors together.  Adding two more days at one end or the other might eliminate too many people, or keep them from refereeing at Juniors.  And if people were able to secure those two extra days, I would think they might be closer to burnt toast by the end.  Lois Schoenbrun
 2/18/2008 7:58:50 AM
User is offlineMWickham
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Ron,

I do like the suggestion you have. As I shared in a different post there are a few small hitches to work through for TRUE. For instance not all referees are TRUE members, so is this a referee camp for TRUE members only or how would that work. But I do like your points.

Mike Wickham
 2/18/2008 9:17:25 AM
User is offlineJaime Schulte
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I think this is a very sensible proposal.  Your comment about the "next generation" of referees being under time and financial pressure due to career and family is spot-on.  That's my situation at least.  I am planning to attend one (possibly two) qualifiers and the Juniors/Seniors.  I am also planning to do the Development Camp in 2008, since I was unable to attend either of the first two camps (due to previous commitments/family). 

Although I am committed enough to go to Colorado Springs anyway, combining the event with Juniors/Seniors would save me at least $500.  That is not insignificant. 

It is important for the leadership to keep in mind the different life situations of referees.  Many of the senior and more experienced referees are in their 50s and 60s.  Most of them could be described as retired, semi-retired, or at least having substantial flexibility in their schedules.  They also have more resources to work with, for the most part.  Most of us in our 20s-40s have less time, flexibility, and resources.

We can't make it easy for everyone, of course, but if there are painless ways to accomodate large groupings of referees I think that makes a lot of sense.  I appreciate your attention to this issue, particularly as one who is in the 40+ category and may be less impacted by the various constraints.

 2/18/2008 2:57:44 PM
User is offlineJenny
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Alas, I hope this doesn't disappoint you Jaime, but being 40+ (or even ++) does not necessarily remove those constraints....

So you don't think you'd be interested in a weekend referee camp that was within driving distance of home?

Here in Michigan, I have determined that I can get a venue for free, thru a professor at MSU. The regular price for a hotel room (per bed) is $40, which includes breakfast. This leaves $10 for lunch and dinner. Now this is not quite enough, but I have not yet tried negotiating for a lower hotel rate. I think I can get the cost down to the requisite $50 a day per referee. However, the hotel is about 5 miles away from the venue, and the nearest airport, a regional one, is about 15 miles away. The nearest National airport is 60+ miles away.

I am confident a deal like this could be developed in most regions of the country.

Where would TRUE come in? TRUE will have helped the USAT to put the package together, using the one resource that TRUE has in spades, people. Then I hope to ask TRUE to kick in for transportation, perhaps by renting a van. Referees other than TRUE members may benefit, but better trained referees make everyone's job easier, whether they are TRUE members or not.
 2/18/2008 7:52:03 PM
User is offlinejhinrichs
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Re: Referee Development Camp Proposal

As I read through all the comment there were lots good points.  I was hoping to have at least one of the camps before the NQ’s but considering it’s about to start it doesn't look like that’s going to happen and between my work and tournaments schedules my calendar is almost full until after Jr. and Sr.

However I would really like to attend a camp this year.  I agree with Lois that having it during Jr. and Sr. will fry us all by the end of the week, maybe they can hold a camp with 2 or 3 of the NQ's.  This way they are can be regional (east, west, central), that way it can make it more affordable and easier to get referees for the event/camp and give the referees a change to practice what was learned.

 2/19/2008 7:53:57 PM
User is offlineJenny
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Per the referee Chairs, the plan is to have the next referee camp in early June.
 2/20/2008 7:05:18 AM
User is offlineMWickham
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Jenny,

I guess that referee chair's can look and see interest in the camps and that would indicate we all strive to improve which is what is the purpose for with these camps. Back though to an original point you had thrown out there, I do hope that TRUE does take up the topic of doing some type of small donation toward these efforts toward referee continuing education.

Mike Wickham

PS: Glad to see we are starting to use this website for posting of idea's etc, I was starting to wonder what was happening.
 2/20/2008 7:51:49 AM
User is offlineJenny
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Re: Referee Development Camp Proposal
Turns out that we must shamefacedly admit that the forum has been askew for quite awhile and we didn't realize it, since no one complained about postings not appearing.

Anyhow, one thing that does have to happen for these referee camps to occur outside of Colorado Springs is for a critical mass of referees to attend. There needs to be between 20 and 30 referees to make a referee camp economically viable. We need to hear from others re: where they would want a camp to be and would they attend if they didn't have to pay to fly to it.

Obviously I've been investigating one in Michigan for my own purposes, but maybe that is not the best place for one. Any thoughts from anyone else?
 2/26/2008 3:20:43 PM
User is offlineJaime Schulte
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Re: Referee Development Camp Proposal

There have been a lot of good thoughts in this discussion.  I see the point Lois made about people getting fried after 8+ days in some cases.  That quite possibly outweighs the financial benefit.

Jenny's research into having regional events is the ideal scenario, in my view.  I'm in the Northeast.  New York City is (arguably) in driving distance for everywhere from Maine to D.C. and over to Buffalo.  It's about 5-6 hours from my house, but I'm considering driving to York, PA which is 7+.  New York is also a 50-minute cheap $99 flight from here...so that's probably what I would do.  It depends on your tolerance for driving and the low low price of gas.  Master Biviano is the driving champ with trips from Syracuse, NY to Atlanta and such which is probably 15 hours!

So you could make the regions pretty large and still have it work for many people, particularly if the location was also easy to fly into.

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