Search Forum Home   Discussions  Ask the Ref Doctor  Properly Issuin...  Properly Issuing a Gamgeom    3/15/2006 1:21:58 PM Scott Zeiter 56 posts Properly Issuing a Gamgeom Dear Ref Doctor, I have a 'friend' who is having this problem. We recently learned in our seminars that we no longer call the competitors back to center to issue a Gamgeom penalty, and that we issue the penalty on the spot. Ok, that part’s straight forward. It was said that we still call out, “Chong, Hong”, and issue the Gamgeom. My ‘friend’ wants to know that if Chong, and Hong are on the opposite sides, do we still make them switch sides (keeping them at the location of the infraction) so the will be in the proper position (Chong to referee’s right while facing the table, and Hong on the left), before issuing the penalty? My ‘friend’ would really like to know this. This procedure was not elaborated on in much detail during the seminar. My ‘friend’ would like to continue being the best referee possible, so your expertise would be appreciated by HER. Scott Zeiter I'm just here for the food...  3/16/2006 7:13:38 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: Properly Issuing a Gamgeom I can appreciate you seeking help on behalf of your "friend." Normally, the Doctor will need to do a personal examination of the person with the symptoms before recommending a treatment. But, in this case, it is benign enough that we will suggest a remedy for your friend without the examination. Here goes... When issuing a penalty, we first stop the clock by calling Shigan. From that point, it is a matter of personal preference in how one chooses to handle the penalty assessment. Some Referees are very strict about maintaining the relative (near exact) positions of the athletes at the time the punishable action occurs. Others are more lenient. The most important consideration (I think) is that the assessment of the penalty is clear and visible to the computer operator sitting at the Recorder's table. That way the correct penalty will be properly shown on the scoreboard. Since the athletes are no longer brought back to the starting positions in the center of the mat, the athletes may or may not be on the Chung or Hong side of the Referee at the time when the infraction occurs. I see no harm in requesting that the athletes move to the proper Chung/Hong positions while facing the Recorder's table in the general area in which the infraction occurred. Remember that, with the Kyungo penalty, it is more important to try to keep the athletes in the same relative position they were in when the infraction occurred, moreso than with a Gamjeom penalty. There is room for flexibility in this situation (assessing a Gamjeom) as long as there is a clear line of sight between the Referee and the Recorder's table. ~BHarris  3/16/2006 7:55:50 AM MWickham 39 posts Re: Properly Issuing a Gamgeom Dear Master Harris- Thanks for the insight for Scott's "friend". I am curious sir, and take this a bit further. You shared that the changing of positions so the Chung/Hong are on correct sides when you issue the penalty was not harmful, and yes is vital for the person at the computer to record it. But would we not incur a little "ire" of a player or coach if we have the players switch to take the correct sides for the gamgeon penalty. Lets say for example that Hong worked Chung toward the boundry. As we have them switch sides did we take away Hongs advantage they worked hard to get? Thank your sir for the help. Mike Wickham  3/16/2006 8:07:34 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: Properly Issuing a Gamgeom Mr. Wickham, than you for your follow-up question. Consider that, in the old system, the players were brought back to the center, whether one had worked to gain an "edge-of-the-ring" advantage or not. The thinking is this- a severe penalty overrides the consideration of having worked to an advantage in ring management that may or may not result in a lesser penalty. This thought process is still there, but the physical act of having the athletes return to the center of the mat is now gone. Once again, when considering kyungo penalties, the relative position of athletes is of greater concern because, either way, the most that may happen is a half-point deduction. Maintaining the relative position of the athletes near the out of bounds is more important with the assessment of a Kyungo than it is with the assessment of a Gamjeom. ~BHarris  3/16/2006 10:28:43 AM MWickham 39 posts Re: Properly Issuing a Gamgeom Master Harris- Thank you for your wisdom on this issue. You really have given me much to think about in that situation, Thanks again Mike  3/16/2006 11:01:40 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: Properly Issuing a Gamgeom You are always welcome to whatever "medicine" the Doctor can provide. Please come back as often as you need to get answers to any questions that may cause you some concern. THis Doctor's office is always open, though I rarely (if ever) make house calls. ~BHarris  Page 1 of 1   Discussions  Ask the Ref Doctor  Properly Issuin... Flat View Tree View Oldest To Newest Newest To Oldest