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 4/18/2006 9:34:50 AM
User is offlineLois
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two tie scores...

Doc,

From Master Long's report on the Portland Qualifier, two questions.  She writes, "We did have a situation where the 12th point was scored instantaneously by both competitors resulting in a 12-12 situation. We also had a Sudden Death Match end 1-1. "  Given the electronic scoring, how can this happen?  And then how are they to be resolved?

Lois
 4/18/2006 12:48:40 PM
User is offlineMWickham
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Re: two tie scores...
Dear Ref Doctor-

I also happen to have had the same thought cross my mind that Lois has. Also sure there are others, so am waiting anxiously for the "cure" for this because I would hate this to be an epidemic.

Thanks,

Mike
 4/18/2006 12:56:05 PM
User is offlineScott Zeiter
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Re: two tie scores...
Lois, Mike,

This may also be a question that you may want to ask in the 'Electronic Scoring' forum so we can get answers from the experts on why the software allows this.
Scott Zeiter
I'm just here for the food...
 4/18/2006 1:06:29 PM
User is offlineJeannette
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Well, if they don't, I will.

Although, I must say that if two points score simultaneously, we sure don't want the scoring system differentiating between them. (by the way Scott, I think this website needs a spell check)

JW
 4/18/2006 3:31:47 PM
User is offlinebckwh
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Re: two tie scores...
Let me address the overtime situation first (since that is the easiest). Referees are instructed to score only the first point that they see in overtime. If that instruction is follwed, this problem would never occur, especially since it now takes three judges to confirm a score. Referees without sufficient experience are likely to press both buttons during an exchange instead of determining which point occurred first. Remember, only one button should be pushed for a score in the overtime period, not both buttons. Now, regarding the two players reaching twelve simultaneously. It is my opinion that this is an equipment issue moreso than a Referee issue. If there is a score of 11-11 and both competitors score on the next exchange, the computer should only register the first valid point and then lock out the other point. This is an excellent point for Referee Education. Consider this, essentially, the same thing as an overtime situation. The next first valid point should decide the match. In this case, it may be prudent to have Referees instructed to score only the first valid point seen, rather than simultaneous presses for an exchange in this situation. Judges are in the position of having to make these types of determinations within one second; that is the job of the corner judge. Of course, today's electronic scoring equipment keeps a running log of button pushes and a time code. So, it would be an easy solution to have the computer tell us for which competitor three judges pushed their buttons first. I believe the better answer/"cure" to this problem is better Referee training.
~BHarris
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