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 4/29/2006 8:23:29 AM
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Situation Seen at German Open
I witnessed the following situation that occurred at the German Open last week. As you read along, try to come up with your solution as to how the situation should have been handled and what the proper outcome should have been. I will withold my response for a day or so, so that you may have time to consider your response. In the third round of the match, Hong was losing by a score of 5 to minus one. Hong has been frustrated throughout the match by, what Hong appears to think, is a lack of judges scoring for Hong's attacks. Out of obvious frustration, Hong attacks Chung with a fist to the face that renders Chung nearly unconscious. The Referee immediately calls timeout and gives Hong a Gamjeom penalty. Chung's Coach enters the ring, grabs contestant Hong and proceeds to head-butt Hong. Chaos ensues. What actions should be taken? How should this situation be handled? Which competitor should be declared the winner? As they used to say on TV long ago- "You make the call!"
~BHarris
 4/29/2006 10:45:18 PM
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Re: Situation Seen at German Open

Here's my shot at a simple perscription for an amazing situation.  I cannot believe it happened, but here is what I would do to handle the riot...

Hong is clearly disqualified.  Hong exhibited extreme behavior in their deliberate attempt to harm Chung and to ignore the rules completely.  By Article 14.5.2.f, Hong is immediately disqualified.

Chung is the rightful winner of the match, but will need to find a new coach.  The headbutt occurred after the match (if it occurred after the declaration of the Gam Jeom).  Chung's coach should be suspended from all coaching duties for at least one year and possibly brought up on charges from Hong for the headbutt.  Some could argue that the coach was only retaliating on behalf of their fallen player, but it is clearly unacceptable and unethical behavior for the coach.

Those are my first thoughts, any others?
 4/30/2006 4:49:21 AM
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Thank you for your response, Mr. Soper. Again, I will give my views on this in a couple of days. Any other thoughts on how this should have been handled?
~BHarris
 4/30/2006 10:09:08 AM
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Master Harris-

Would agree with Mr. Soper on this. Although, one might wish to check with the TA and see if all electronic's are functioning properly and are scores registering. Also, as a corner, if you feel you don't see your score register, you need to alert the center referee to this matter.
Guess my additional point to Mr. Soper is electronic/human.

Mike
 4/30/2006 11:24:28 AM
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Mr. Wickham, Thank you for your input. Actually, the electronic scoring system in Germany was not one that allows each corner judge to see whether their scores are being accepted and registered. So, the electronics were a moot point. With the scoring system(s) used in the USA that is not the case. Each button push can be seen and monitored. Any others have opinions on this situation?
~BHarris
 4/30/2006 3:21:03 PM
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By what is written: Hong losses on score (win by point Gap) 5 to –2. Referee calls for Security/Police. In the US the coach may possible charged with assault DA’s call. Joe
 4/30/2006 3:39:44 PM
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 Modified By bckwh on 4/30/2006 6:18:01 PM)
Mr. Aguon, thank you for your comments. I can tell all of you that it took about ten minutes to sort out the result of this situation in Germany. One thing that did not happen was the need to call for Security or Police. One of the Event Staff was instantly present in the ring to help the TA to restore/preserve order in that ring.

I agree with you that it probably would have been handled differently in the USA, at least as far as calling for Security and entering a charge of assault. Comments from others...?
~BHarris
 5/1/2006 8:07:54 AM
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I agree with Mike Soper.

It does make one wonder if the ref might have missed the warning signs of a competitor losing his emotional control. Is it possible that calling shigan, even if for a spurious reason such as an equipment check, might have cooled things just enough to avoid such inappropriate behavior?

Jenny
 5/1/2006 9:13:42 AM
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Ms Woodard, I witnessed the frustration building throughout the match for competitor Hong and his Coach. Between rounds, Hong's Coach spent half of the rest period gesturing at the Corner Judges for their lack of pushing buttons for his competitor. To his credit, competitor Hong would return for the next round and compete as best he could. Still, he would show aggravation over not seeing points come up on the scoreboard for his attacks. Sadly, this is becoming more and more common with competitors everywhere, including the USA.

So, it was not at a point where Hong displayed obvious intent to attempt to harm Chung. This was a last-second impulsive decision on Hong's part, or so it seemed. It was definitely without warning. It took all of us, the Referee included, by surprise. Not to mention the actions of Chung's Coach after Hong's fist attack to the face.
~BHarris
 5/1/2006 10:14:40 AM
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Doc
This is sort of a different chain of thought, but, what is your philosophy on the ref speaking to the judges regarding scoring? Obviously I am not suggesting that the ref pressure the corners to change scores. Rather I am curious if you might, as the center ref, call judges together for a little chat if you see a lot of points not being scored. Particularly if the corners appear to be fatigued.

Jenny
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