Search Forum Home   Discussions  Ask the Ref Doctor  New Situations ...  Re: New Situations - You Make the Call    5/5/2006 8:53:21 PM Grant Marlenee 23 posts Re: New Situations - You Make the Call In my training, I was taught that a 'push kick' was the name given to a straight forward thrusting of the leg with the toes straight up and heel down keeping the foot fairly perpendicular to the floor.  It could actually be used for pushing the opponent backwards without any significant impact, or in the case of my instructor, to break double patio blocks for demos.  That I consider a significant impact, especially having held them. ;)  So, in my mind, 'push kick' still means that type of kick regardless of how it is used.  Therefore, the delivery and result of the impact becomes much more important than some name.  If the foot makes light contact with the hogu and gradually displaces the body I wouldn't consider it a point, nor would I consider it a penalty because it is a legal striking implement making contact with a permitted area.  If, on the other hand, the kick begins far from the body and STRIKES with impact causing abrupt, not gradual, displacement, it should be a point.  If the recipient hits the floor with any part of his body other than the soles of the feet due to that impact then a 8 count should be initiated. As far as the "cut kick", if it hits a permitted area with the part below the ankle, then it's permitted, is it not?  After all, it's a legal implement to a permitted area.  Cut kicks, or any other kicks directed to the legs however should be illegal.  Grant Grant Marlenee  5/6/2006 10:18:59 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: New Situations - You Make the Call Mr. Marlenee, thank you for your very insightful comments on the current topic. Any others wish to chime in? ~BHarris  5/7/2006 1:18:09 AM Joe 25 posts Re: New Situations - You Make the Call I'm going to consolidate the two into the two logic streams is it a kick or is it a push. If it is a kick is it: a) a valid point b) an incidental strike in the exchange of valid techniques c) a strike to a nonpermitted area (Kyungo or Guem Jon) If it is a push I would issue a Kyungo. My definition of basically comes down to is the supporting leg or legs dowing the work of displacing the body, hence whether it is foot, hand body... I have a pretty explainable frame of reference for player, coach ... So far it's worked for me.  5/7/2006 7:55:46 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: New Situations - You Make the Call Mr. Aguon, thank you for your perspective on this matter. It is a different approach than those presented thus far. I appreciate your contribution and thank you for taking the time to respond to this Forum. Any others...? ~BHarris  5/15/2006 8:42:03 PM bckwh 104 posts Re: New Situations - You Make the Call Well, it seems as if it is time to bring closure to the question of Push Kicks and Cut Kicks. Thanks to all of you who contributed to the discussion. It is through your efforts and participation that this Forum will continue to thrive. Regarding Push Kicks- If a kick is done with a pushing motion it does not meet the qualification that a legal attack result in the abrupt displacement of the opponent. The act of the pushing motion is, by definition, a long and protracted process over a period of time, rather than an abrupt displacementfo the body. This is true even if the push kick results in the person being pushed falls down. No eight count should be awarded solely on the basis of the attack having been a Pusn Kick. And, more importantly, no score should be awarded for a push kick. It is not a legal attack. Regarding Cut Kicks- Cut kicks are only legal if they are performed on a legal scoring area. That means, on the hogoo, Cut kicks to the leg(s) are not legal attacks. They should receive a verbal warning first, then kyungo for other occurrences. Cut kicks are usually not done with enough power to result in a score, but they do succeed in gaining distance for follow-up attack techniques. However, when a Cut Kick strikes the legal scoring area with sufficient power, resulting in abrupt body displacement, a score may be awarded for that legal attack. When Cut Kicks are done to the leg, they can cause injury. Referees must be alert to recognize whether such attacks are intentional when they first occur. Remember that intentionality can be determined by giving a verbal warning for the first occurrence. Any successive low Cut Kick attacks must result in penalty because intent has been established. Again, my sincere thanks to all who participated in this discussion. Please look for future situations to be discussed in this Forum. ~BHarris  Page 2 of 2 Previous12    Discussions  Ask the Ref Doctor  New Situations ... Flat View Tree View Oldest To Newest Newest To Oldest