Search Forum Home   Discussions  Ask the Ref Doctor  Seven point gap...  Seven point gap and eight counts    5/7/2006 12:01:02 PM Grant Marlenee 23 posts Seven point gap and eight counts This may be a rhetorical question, but I thought I would bounce it off the experts. In a match yesterday I was reffing a rather vigorous fellow that managed to get up to six to one rather quickly then threw a resounding head shot that made his opponent walk around in a little circle so I jumped in and started counting. He focused and looked alert and OK by three. I checked and the score was now eight to one so I guess I could have technically called the game immediately but I continued the count to eight, awarded the extra point then called the match.  In retrospect, it seems that that should be the proper course since sometimes total points earned may affect seeding.  Plus, had he not recoverd, the official record would then show TKO vs point gap score. Opinions? Grant Marlenee  5/7/2006 12:10:25 PM bckwh 104 posts Re: Seven point gap and eight counts Mr. Marlenee, thank you for sharing your latest ring experience with us, and for the opportunity of having our Forum guests share their opinions as well. I will share my opinion with the group on Tuesday. ~BHarris  5/10/2006 7:39:35 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: Seven point gap and eight counts Well, no one offered an opinion about this, so I will give my thoughts on the situation. According to the new WTF Competition Rules, a match ends when there is a seven-point gap. End of story. Anything that happens after that is superfluous. In fact, the computer is supposed to lock out any further input once the seven-point gap is achieved. Now, couple that fact with the fact that, once a count is started it must continue to the count of eight. This is done for the competitor's safety. However, if the competitor is clearly incapicitated, we know that we can stop the count and call for medical attention. So, it is not always necessary to count up to eight. I think that the better way of handling that situation is as follows: As an attentive Referee, be aware that the next point would create the seven-point gap. Once the valid point goes up on the scoreboard, the Referee should declare Kalyeo, Keuman, call for the competitors to return to their marks and declare the winner. There is no need to start an eight count since the match is over. Even if the losing competitor is injured by the legal attack and valid score, I would declare Kalyeo, Keuman, call for medical attention, call for the winning competitor to return to his/her mark and declare the winner. ~BHarris  5/10/2006 8:11:55 AM Grant Marlenee 23 posts Re: Seven point gap and eight counts "According to the new WTF Competition Rules, a match ends when there is a seven-point gap. End of story. Anything that happens after that is superfluous. In fact, the computer is supposed to lock out any further input once the seven-point gap is achieved." End of story?  Would that mean that it's not possible for the referee to negate a point awarded for an illegal attack, say an attack after kalyeo or attacking a fallen opponent?  I realize they have nothing to do with the described scenario, but having the gap or ceiling become "end of story" with no recourse for such an event seems fraught with problems because the gap or ceiling wasn't legally obtained. Some even argue and have put into practice that a kyungo after the gap that brings the score back below the gap should be counted.   An example would be running out of bounds or falling to prevent a counter.  If I remember correctly, this was the direction we were given in Rochester. I personally don't agree unless the kyungo would negate the point, however, I do as I'm told by the authority du jour. Grant Marlenee  5/10/2006 8:34:57 AM bckwh 104 posts Re: Seven point gap and eight counts Mr. Marlenee, my coments were specifically regarding the situation presented by Mr. Lo. Your scenarios are different, obviously. The response to Mr. Lo assumed a valid point gained by a legal attack. Your scenarios all involve a point gained by illegal actions. Of course, when a point is gained by an illegal action, it must be nullified. The WTF Competition Rules have not changed in that regard. If nullifying the point results in less than a seven-point gap the match will continue. My statement of "End of story" referred only to the situation presented by Mr. Lo. O apologize for any confusion. ~BHarris  Page 1 of 1   Discussions  Ask the Ref Doctor  Seven point gap... Flat View Tree View Oldest To Newest Newest To Oldest