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 When can one use RSC?
 
 7/18/2006 5:04:10 PM
User is offlinevincentlo
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When can one use RSC?
What are all the scenarios when we can use RSC (Referee Stop Contest)? In the manual it states that when "a contestant cannot continue, even after a one minute recovery period or, when a contestant disregards the referee's command to continue, the referee shall declare the contest stopped and the other contestant the winner." When a referee stops a match because there's a mismatch in skills, is that using RSC? When a referee stops a match when a contestant is constantly kicking hard under the no head contact rules (see another recent thread), is that RSC as well?

Thanks,
Vincent Lo
 7/24/2006 2:21:34 AM
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Re: When can one use RSC?
Mr. Lo, thank you for another excellent question. It allows for a brief discussion of the categories for decisions mentioned in our WTF Competition Rules.

DQ applies only to a competitor who fails to make weight at the official Weigh-In.
Withdrawal applies to a competitor who successfully made weight and then bowed out for some reason. This is increasingly prevalent, for example, at our National Championships where competitors make the final round of four, thus qualifying for Team Trials, and then bow out of the competition.

As for Referee Stops Contest, it includes the situations that you mention:
• A contestant cannot continue after a one-minute injury timeout, and the match ends
• A contestant disregards the Referee's command to continue (like a sit-down protest, etc)

However, when a competitor is penalized for excessive head contact in a No Head Contact division/match, the decision could be based on Referee's Punitive Declaration, though RSC could equally apply.

Referee's Punitive Declaration is definitely used in cases where a match ends because of the four deduction points. But, it may also apply without having reached the four point deductions. In the case where it is clear that the competitor has no intention of complying with the rules, it is not necessary for the Referee to wait until minus four points have been awarded before ending the match. That is why I believe that, in situations like this, RSC is equally applicable, as is Punitive Declaration.

In the past, a Referee has been able to determine a mismatch and to stop the contest. That would have been an RSC situation. Now, however, there is a hard and fast rule in place that ends the match with the seven-point gap, or with the twelve-point ceiling. These decisions are now a win by point, not by RSC.

Personally, I would like to see fewer categories of decisions. What about you guys...?
~BHarris
 7/24/2006 6:36:34 AM
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Re: When can one use RSC?
How would you advocate that the decision catagories be modified?

Another related question; Are referees no longer allowed to end an unequal contest by RSC? What if the mismatch is so bad, say Lynette Love against me (I used to have nightmares about that) that the referee fears major injury even before the 7 point gap is met?

Jenny
 7/26/2006 3:57:17 AM
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Re: When can one use RSC?
Ms Woodard,

I would like to see the categories broadened somewhat like this:

• DQ: Might include situations where a contestant either refuses to continue after the Referee's declaration to continue, or when a contestant bows out of a match for reasons other than injury. To my way of thinking, that would result in more meaningful fights for seeding at national events, rather than bow-outs with less meaningful National Champion titles. A DQ would, in effect, not allow a competitor to advance. I think that it would also help with behavior modification of athletes and coaches who like to push the limits of propriety with referees.

• The 7-point gap and 12-point would be under the category of RSC since, technically, they signify a mismatch. Thus, the situation that you mention (you vx Ms Love) would also be covered in that category. One would not need to wait for the 7-point gap in order to stop an obvious mismatch.

• A Win by Points would bejust that, but would also include a win based on minus four deduction points. To my way of thinking, a score of 0/-1 is still technically a win on points.

What about thoughts on this matter from others?
~BHarris
 7/26/2006 3:03:41 PM
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Re: When can one use RSC?

Master Harris:

As with most of your stuff, that just makes good, common sense. Hence, the rationalization that it probably won't be implemented. :)

Seriously, I like the idea of just the three categories.  DQ, RSC, Points.  Makes sense.

--Larry Voorhees
 7/28/2006 10:38:59 AM
User is offlinevincentlo
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Re: When can one use RSC?
That's an interesting idea. Why not go even further--combine DQ and RSC and list all the specific criteria a referee can end a match (mismatch, refusal to continue, 4-point deductions, KO)?

Vincent Lo
 8/6/2006 1:46:56 AM
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Re: When can one use RSC?
Mr. Voorhees, the three categories make sense to me. Let us see what happens in the future with the categories.
~BHarris
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